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Author:  Wallace Carney [ Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:54 am ]
Post subject:  Fenwick Forked Rods for Mitchell 500 Series Reels

Hello Mates,

Over the past year or so I've heard about a Fenwick rod prototype for the Mitchell 500 series reels. A few months ago I saw this rod and the very unique Mitchell reel attached to it. The owner has been researching Fenwick with no success regarding these rods.

Now I see one that sold on eBay:

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This adds validity of the prototype I saw. What do you think?

Best Regards, Wallace

Author:  Bonanza [ Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Fenwick Forked Rods for Mitchell 500 Series Reels

Hey Wallace, 

I saw the rod on EBAY.  I thought that is was unique.  I questioned whether or not it was real.  My best argument would be that Fenwick would have bought cork grips from Garcia to attach to their blanks.  Timeline would be critical here.  I would doubt that Garcia would have let Fenwick infringe on their patent filed on Jan. 27, 1970.  Garcia would have protection for 15+ years = 1985.  Garcia had gone under by then.  Garcia in the early 70's was marketing their new concept rod and reels.  They would have been way to proud to have licensed the rod and reel set-up then.  I can imagine two possibilities. 1) After Garcia had difficulties marketing and selling their rods and reels, they might have granted a license for others to buy the cork forked grip end to attach to a Fenwick blank.  Hoping this would increase sales by futher exposure.  Fenwick probably was really the only other quality rod builder at that time in the USA to compete with Garcia  (IMO). This is also my best guess.  2) After the break-up of Garcia it was possible that part of the different prototype programs were sold to lower the debt during bankruptcy procedings.  Not my best guess because all the rod manufacturers only would have to wait a year or two for patent protection to run out.  I validate this by not finding any further embodiments (improvements) to the forked rod or reel in the patent literature.  I guess we need to dig up some history on Fenwick between 1975 thru 1985.  This is a good thread to discuss.  Thanks for starting it Wallace!

Regards,  Scott

Author:  Wallace Carney [ Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:04 am ]
Post subject:  Fenwick Forked Rods for Mitchell 500 Series Reels

Hey Scott,

The patent was filed in 1970 but the Conolon forked rod was already being made here in the USA and in France that I know of prior to that so,,, what if Garcia Conolon "bought" the forked foot design concept from another company and/or person? That is another possibility and one I think may apply due to what I've seen and will show here when investigations are exhausted.

One thing I wish to know, what is the serial number on the Mitchell 510 sold with this rod? Does anyone have this information I hope?

Best Regards, Wallace

Author:  Bonanza [ Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Fenwick Forked Rods for Mitchell 500 Series Reels

Hey Wallace, 
You bring up some very interesting points in your note.  I never thought to go with reverse thinking.  I went forward using modern IP guidelines believing that you would patent, 1st then do sales and marketing to the customer .  In today's world as soon as you sample your technology to someone else your technology is no longer patentable.  Maybe back during those days the inventor had taken his invention to Fenwick and Garcia trying to sell his invention  Both had made prototypes and raced to market the new forked concept.  Once the inventor shared his idea he was no longer protected to go it alone.  If the inventor went to Fenwick 1st, Fenwick could have had free access to make this rod.  If the inventor did not get Fenwick to buy or license his idea then he might have gone to Conolon Corp. before Garcia was involved.  This is possibly why we see Live Fiber Conolon rods with the forked embodiment.  This could explain why we have documented rods before the patent was filed in 1970.  I love that we are just scratching the surface here,  I hope that others will add additional thoughts.  I look forward to opening my mates mail tomorrow.
                                                                                                                                                            Regards,  Scott

Author:  Wallace Carney [ Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Fenwick Forked Rods for Mitchell 500 Series Reels

Hey Scott,

I've not forgotten about this thread, just trying to locate more information!!! Tough thing to do in this case my friend. I was hoping that others would help with any thoughts and/or ideas.

All the best,
Wallace

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