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Author:  don309 [ Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:31 am ]
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I have a friend that is trying to restore a Conolon Missilite. If their are anyone that may have, or know where to find the following guides. And are willing to sell them please let me know. The sizes are #16 or 20 Conoloy Flex Guides. the spelling of the guides is correct. I have added a photo of the guide, it is a single foot guide. If their is anyone

Author:  Halcyon [ Wed May 01, 2019 4:47 pm ]
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Hey Don,

I thought I’d give this thread a bump with some, possibly, interesting, if not useful, details.

Conoloy was a hard alloy new in 1958. Flex-Guides in 1958/59 were made of Conoloy. Prior (1956/57), Flex-Guides were made of chromed, spring-tempered Monel wire. I’m not seeing Flex-Guides sold prior to 1956 – although Narmco did claim to have done 3 years of field testing by 1958.

See some catalog pages below.

John
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5800 Conolon Catalog 04 rs.jpg

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5700 Conolon Catalog 19 rs.jpg

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5600 Conolon Catalog 17 rs.jpg

Author:  Halcyon [ Wed May 01, 2019 4:53 pm ]
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Don,

I’ve also learned something about sizing (which I would have otherwise asked you about) from the catalogs:
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Number of Guide is determined by INSIDE diameter of Loop in 32nd inches

So, a #16 Guide has an inside diameter of 16/32". Below, enlarged from the 1957 Catalog, are a table on freshwater guide numbers and description of a freshwater set.

Unfortunately, I think you may have a difficult time finding NOS (new old stock) Flex-Guides because they were limited to the mid/late 1950s and only on Narmco-sold rods. [I was fortunate to get several sets of NOS Sila-flex guides (contemporaneous to Narmco Flex-Guides and also proprietary) at not unreasonable price 5+ years ago, but I would say that was a very rare opportunity.]

I think probably your best chance is for you and/or your friend to pull a correctly-sized Flex-Guide off another Missilite rod. And then, redo all that rod’s guides with some other type – which would still give you a very good rod for fishing (just not historically accurate).

John
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5700 Conolon Catalog 19 fresh water.jpg

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5700 Conolon Catalog 19 set.jpg

Author:  don309 [ Thu May 02, 2019 5:04 am ]
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John,
Thanks for the information, I sent the photo's to my friend. He was very happy to have them. He bought the rod as a work rod, with one wrong guide. He has a lot of people in the rod building forum keeping an eye out for the guide, at flea markets and such.
Thanks again,
Don

Author:  Halcyon [ Thu May 02, 2019 9:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: A little off topic

Hey Don,

One more thing. I had been wanting to ask how you and/or your friend determined #16 or #20 was the correct replacement for the butt guide. I realize this is a vintage rod, but even so, to me, that seems on the small side.

I have 1 Narmco Conolon Missilite rod with Flex-Guides on hand (versus some more Conolons in storage - although those may not have Flex-Guides, as I favor the earlier rods).

The rod on hand is the Airflite 6325, the so called "Teeny Tiny," as it is a 5-foot rod. Based on my measurement, its butt guide is a #24. Your friend's rod (if I'm remembering correctly) is 6'6". So, I would expect its butt guide to be at least as big, if not bigger.

John

P.S. Look at the "freshwater set" of 5 Flex-Guides (= the number of guides on a rod). The biggest is a #24.

Author:  don309 [ Fri May 03, 2019 5:13 am ]
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John,
I don't remember how I got the guide size. It was either in my friends thread, or an email. I'm guessing he has it right, as he is a seasoned builder. I'm just the middle guy trying to help him out.
Don

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