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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:16 am • #  
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Hi all:

I recently purchased a 508 reel and rod combination from a man who provided a bit of history concerning the invention of this concept.  His name is Howard Owen and he was president and co-owner of a firm that photographed rods and reels to be used in Garcia advertising.  He claims that Robert Crane (Advertising Director for Garcia) invented the concept of the forked-foot reel and special rod.  Here are some photographs of documentation that he sent me along with the 508 reel and 2540 rod that I purchased:

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I just thought that some of you might be interested as I thought it odd that an advertising director would be the designer of such a unique, but ultimately unpopular, system.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:26 am • #  
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Hello Rock,

Was the inventor Robert T. Catignani ?

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Hi Jim:

I only know that I was told that the inventor was Robert Crane.  Sounds to me like you may know a bit more------say that Robert T. Catignani is his original name and that maybe he "Americanised" his name to Robert T. Crane?

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Hello Wayne,

I have been researching the 508 reels for a new a new Mitchell book I have been writing for a couple of years now, an ultra-light book. I find any information regarding the 508 reels very interesting as nothing is documented and I feel it is right Mitchell information is documented for all to be able to read. The two people we talk of are both of much binterest to myself..... I will see if I can find any more relative information.

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Hi Wayne,

Thanks for sharing those priceless images! I thought you'd like to see the patent for the forked rod:

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Patent dates can be confusing! This patent was filed in January 1970 but we know these came out several years earlier. With little effort, anyone can search the United States Patent Office for this and much more including Trademark names.

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Hi Wallace and Jim:

Thanks Wallace for showing us the patent!  Looks like the "mystery" is whether R.T. Catignani and R.T. Crane are one in the same?  I'll write to Howard Owen and see if he has the answer.

Jim:  good luck with the book.  You should be able to piece together a great reference on the ultra-light reels given the massive bank of knowledge collectively held by many of the Mitchell Mates!  When the time comes, if you would like another eye for editing purposes, let me know.  I have written several scientific publications, and have an eye for detail. 

Happy fathers day to all!

Cheers,

Wayne


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Hi Wayne,

It must be the same person but look forward to your findings.

Hi Jim,

Is that the same UL book I sent chapters to you and Dries or is it another you're doing on your own?

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Hello Mates,

I would like to announce Wallace and I are writing a book all about the Mitchell ultra-light models. Image More information to follow.Image

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Hi Wayne & Jim,

After a search of the web, it appears Robert T. Catignani and Robert T. Crane are indeed the same person. It appears he used Crane as a known (AKA) alias for some reason, maybe we couldn't pronounce his real name? I also found out he was the inventor of the pre-wound spool shell for Garcia that fit both the 300 and the 301. I also thought some may like to see this as well:

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Everything you wanted to know about forked rods but were afraid to ask. The "References Cited" would be interesting, especially the one in Great Britain!

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Wallace:

Awesome information!!  I don't know how you do it-----but maybe your real last name is Holmes!

Cheers,

Wayne


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Hi Wayne,

Thanks mate, I've been called worse names Image

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Hello Mates,

There was also a fork-footed fly reel designed. Has anyone seen a real one, or didn't it get to the design stage? Wallace have you seen the patent for this one ?

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Hi Wallace,

Good job finding this important document about the forked food reels !!
I have seen the patent before but not this document.
A major step forward .Hopefully one day an original  document shows up
with the 500 series reels that were produced and the ones that never made it .


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toulady6 wrote:
Hi Wallace,

Good job finding this important document about the forked food reels !!
I have seen the patent before but not this document.
A major step forward .Hopefully one day an original  document shows up
with the 500 series reels that were produced and the ones that never made it .


regards  Dries

Hello Dries,
Can you help. Have you ever seen a fork-footed fly reel as I have been looking for years. ?
Best regards, Jim
  


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hi Jim,

I have never seen such a reel and I can't think of a reason why Mitchell would design such a reel .


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Hello Mates,

I try to never say never but in this case it was hard to believe a fly reel was made for the forked rod but I do know it was designed and patented by Carpano & Pons for sure:

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Thanks for thinking outside the box Jimbo Image

I guess the search is on Image

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Hi Jim:

I honestly have to say that I thought you were kidding about the forked-foot fly reel, I laughed a lot at the thought, and like Dries I thought why would anyone want to design a forked-foot fly reel!!!  Well, I guess I have to sheepishly admit that I have a long way to go in understanding the minds of Mitchell.  Kudo's to you and also Wallace for digging up the very interesting patent!

Best regards,

Wayne 


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Hello Wayne,

Yes, what an unusual idea, it surprised me when I discovered the patent!

I have carried out a lot of research over the years, as I have been interested in Mitchell and Abu reels for a long time. I found the fork-footed fly reel patent when conducting a search for the Otomatic patent for the Mitchell Match book. I saved some unusual patents for Abu reels as well as Mitchell. There were lots of patents taken out by Carpano and Pons over the years and some wacky ideas! 

The fork-footed fly reel was patented as an original idea. I wonder if it ever got to the prototype stage?

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Jim and Wallace,,  If I can do anything to help with the ultra light book let me know..  I am assuming that you will need help with rods. and photo's..  Regards,  Scott


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Hello Scott,

Thank you for your offer its very good of you. Thanks very much.

Best regards, Jim


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Hello Mates,

Awesome document !!
Nice find , what would be the number on this fly-reel ; 554 Dual ?
There also should be a  prototype rod for it .
Hopefully one or several are in circulation  and will surface one day .

regards  Dries


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