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Could This Possibly Be A 1st Version Cover & Gear Train?
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Author:  GreatLaker [ Wed May 29, 2019 6:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Could This Possibly Be A 1st Version Cover & Gear Train?

Mates,
Got this cover plate and gear train on auction a while ago. It was part of a Franken Reel. The rest of the reel (Frame, Head, Handle) were 7th version reel parts. :sSW_stormtrooper:

When I took it apart I was quite surprised at what I found, but what did I find?
Seller said he got it at a flea market in France but no other (origional) parts. Take a look what do you think? :sFun_eyescan:
Kind Regards,
Bill :tup

Author:  CDSAND7640 [ Wed May 29, 2019 11:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Could This Possibly Be A 1st Version Cover & Gear Train?

Bill, that's a cool find...the transfer gear is 1st version...looks like the main drive and pivot gears are 1st version too...need a close up of the main drive gear (small center hole and inside beveling) to verify, and the A/R knob to check for fine knurling (first version)...

From these photos, I'd say all first version...Jeremy may note some attributes I am missing.

Sandman

Author:  Jeremy Fisher [ Thu May 30, 2019 1:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Could This Possibly Be A 1st Version Cover & Gear Train?

Dear Bill,

I agree totally with Sandman that the parts you show are all first version. Well done indeed !!

The gears have the correct textured surface. Transfer gear 1, as Wallace calls it, is an iconic part.

As Sandman points out it would be nice to see a close-up of the anti-reverse knob, but it appears correct. You could count the number of rows of diamonds and compare with the reels shown elsewhere.

Congrats,

JF.

Author:  GreatLaker [ Thu May 30, 2019 4:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Could This Possibly Be A 1st Version Cover & Gear Train?

Sandman and Jeremy,
My old point and shoot camera just does not want to focus any closer than about 10" and it is purely by luck that anything closer will work. :sCh_taz:

I want to buy a camera with a macro lens but have you seen recent prices!! O well guess Mr Frankenstein paid off at least part way.
Kind Regards, :tup
Bill

Author:  CDSAND7640 [ Thu May 30, 2019 5:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Could This Possibly Be A 1st Version Cover & Gear Train?

Jeremy, thanks for the second look...

Bill, I think the items are close enough...can you just post one photo per picture? It looks like you have made an eight picture collage, which is downsizing each photo...

Sandman

Author:  GreatLaker [ Thu May 30, 2019 10:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Could This Possibly Be A 1st Version Cover & Gear Train?

Here are larger pics
Kind Regards,
Bill :tup

Author:  Jeremy Fisher [ Fri May 31, 2019 5:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Could This Possibly Be A 1st Version Cover & Gear Train?

Dear Bill,

I attach photos of a 1st. AR dog which should answer your questions. Note the 2 holes which don't appear to be present on yours.

The way the paint has detached over "Mitchell" is typical of an early 1st. cover plate when they engraved before painting : the paint didn't key well in that area.

It looks as though your camera is fine !!

Regards,

JF.

Author:  CDSAND7640 [ Fri May 31, 2019 1:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Could This Possibly Be A 1st Version Cover & Gear Train?

Bill, thanks for the single photo close ups...confirming main drive gear with small center hole and non-beveled center hub is 1st version...

Those are some rare parts...somebody must of used an original Mitchell to rebuild another...makes you wonder where the rest of the Mitchell went...makes me wonder what the rarest part is to find from the original Mitchells...the Rosewood grasp?

Sandman

Author:  GreatLaker [ Fri May 31, 2019 4:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Could This Possibly Be A 1st Version Cover & Gear Train?

Mates,
Ah-Ha, I thought that A/R dog looked suspicious.
I wanted to show the A/R spring which wraps around the mounting post in a 1st version I believe. Is this correct?

Kind Regards,
Bill :tup

Author:  Jeremy Fisher [ Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Could This Possibly Be A 1st Version Cover & Gear Train?

Dear Sandman,

It's purely subjective, but in my opinion the rarest and most important part of a 1st. version is the housing. This is, after all, the one part that defines a 1st. and cannot, therefore, be found on other versions. Also, the foot has a habit of breaking, which means that legitimate reels exist with a changed housing. I have one such reel and don't expect to ever find a replacement housing without MIF; although hope springs eternal.

The next 2 most important parts are the hardwood knob and first transfer gear, but these can be found on early 2nds. so are not so difficult.

The other tricky parts, although not perhaps so crucial, are the steel baffle plate shims.

I also wonder what happened to the original housing. Did it break? Perhaps a previous owner liked a full-bail, but preferred level-wind. Perhaps he just liked the button AR knob.

Either way, I think we can agree that the changes were not meant to deceive. It was just a fisherman customizing a reel to suit his personal preferences. One of the joys of Mitchells is that this is possible.

Dear Bill,

All is correct.

JF.

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