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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:04 am • #  
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In other discussions, Sandman and I touched on the rarity and collectability of reels, and felt that it might make for an interesting discussion and exchange of views.

I am only familiar with the 300 and it's derivatives and to a small degree round-body reels; and I only have 6 years experience of collecting Mitchells. I don't collect RHW reels. Sandman is an expert on Ultra Lights and can no doubt flesh those out.

I have not mentioned DL's because I don't understand the appeal so have not collected these. The prices they achieve suggest they are very popular and doubtless others can contribute.

I have grouped together reels which in my experience have similar rarity and desirability. A good deal of Mitchell collecting is nostalgia and user based, so rarity is often a second consideration when considering value : desirability is then the key.

Anyway, I will start the ball rolling :

Group 1.
1st. version Mitchell in correct box.
2nd. version in brown box.
Both combinations are extremely rare, and I consider a boxed 1st. to be the holy grail. In 6 years I have only seen I brown box on Ebay.

Group 2.
Tournament reels.
1st. Mitchell with black bakelite knob.
Again, extremely rare.
It is thought that only around 200 Tournament reels were made. Desirability of these is slightly questionable because nostalgia and user factors don't apply and high prices can be a deterrent.

Group 3.
Carpano CAP with round drag knob and wooden or black bakelite knob.
4th. version CAP (half bail) without AR.
3rd. version Mitchell with red knob.
Half-bail Salt Water.
The reels in this group are very rare, but appear to have limited collector appeal, so prices are reasonable. I think these are excellent reels to collect.

Group 4.
1st. Mitchell with wooden knob,without box.
2nd. Mitchell with wooden knob.
My favourites! Considered very rare, but findable in Europe with a little time and patience. I found 2 stunning 2nds. in the US.
Again desirability is questionable due to their perceived rarity. The 1st. version is worth twice as much as the 2nd. as an approximation.

Group 5.
Boxed Mitchell 500 and 540.
1st. version Otomatic (especially boxed).
Rare reels with a very high level of desirability. The auto-bails have a very strong following.
Collectors of these reels are very committed and willing to pay up.

Group 6.
Boxed 2nd. version Mitchell with metal knob.
Correctly boxed Rapid.
4th. version with metal knob and appropriate parts.
4th. version with silver and black Garcia label.
Geographical factors come into play here. The 2nd. version is easier to find in Europe than the US; and vice versa the 4th. version.
These reels have high desirability, are very nice to collect and quite affordable.

Group 7.
The various "PRO" series reels.
Quite findable and not overly expensive. I know collectors who only collect these; and why not.

Group 8.
Any MIB reel. MIB reels are surprisingly common and are the ultimate nostalgia buy. Generally speaking they offer exceptional value.

Well that's one collector's take, it will be interesting to hear the views of others.

JF.


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Jeremy, thanks for putting together a stab at rarity and collectibility...a daunting task when considering all the options...you did a bang up job of capturing many/most of the likely reels.

A few thoughts:

I may add a Salt Water Half bail with box in to group one or two, since, to my understanding, a box as ever been identified, though there is no reason to believe they did not come with one. About 3000 made, and no known box to date. Rarity is super high, though as you state, oddly, collectibility maybe not so much.

I may place the "Pilot" run of the 308 into group three or four. I am aware of five of these. There were approx 3000 made. No box has been identified and since they were an unserialized test run, they may not of come in boxes. Very rare, little known of...so collectibility is fairly low...but rarity high.

I would place th 508 in group 7, while not rare, very collectible and command a good price.

Will need to add presentation reels into group 5 for their collectibility, though most are not exceedingly rare. While low in numbers, they were commonly not used and can still be found relatively easily, yet maintain good collectible value. Some more rare than others, such as the 408DL.

The first version "FRONCE" 308/309 in box and first version 408/409 in box deserve group 7. Not very common to find in box and command good value.

I would also advocate for the Salt Water full bail, straight bail arm in box to group 7. These are quite rare (only the produced between numbers 4000-32000), though not particularly high in collectibility.

Let's add in the "X" (Extras) reels in box to Group 7. A good mix of rarity and collectibility...

I'm sure there are more...

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Dear Sandman,

An excellent analysis, and I agree with everything you say.

I knew I would forget something, but I'm kicking myself over the "X" series which is one of my favourites.

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JF.


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Hi Jeremy and Sandman,

I would add the rare salesman samples
The super rare test reels .
Boxed first versions engraved ultra lights .

best regards

Dries :sAni_fish:


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Dear Dries,

That is excellent information.

Which groups would you suggest for these reels?

I am unfamiliar with them and would appreciate any information you have.

Kind regards,

JF.


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Hi Jeremy,

Test reels in box 2
Boxed first versions of the ultra lights box 5
Salesman samples in box 3

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Dear Dries,

Thanks for that.

I will wait a few days and then revise the list.

Regards,

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With the help of Sandman and Toulady this is the revised list :

Group1.
1st. version Mitchell in correct box.
2nd. version Mitchell in brown box.
Half-bail Salt Water in box.

Group 2.
Tournament reels.
Test reels.
1st. version Mitchell with black bakelite knob.

Group 3.
Carpano CAP with round drag knob and wooden or black bakelite knob.
4th. version CAP (half bail) without AR.
3rd. version Mitchell with red knob.
Half-bail Saltwater without box.
Pilot 308.
Salesman sample reels.

Group 4.
1st. version Mitchell with wooden knob. Without box.
2nd. version Mitchell with wooden knob. With or without box.

Group 5.
Boxed Mitchell 500 and 540.
1st. version Otomatic (especially boxed).
DL series reels.
Boxed 1st. versions of Ultra Lights.

Group 6.
Boxed 2nd. version Mitchell with metal knob.
Correctly boxed Rapid.
First 4th. version Mitchell with metal knob.
4th. version Mitchell with silver and black Garcia label.

Group 7.
"PRO" series reels. Boxed.
Mitchell 508.
1st. version "FRONCE" 308/309 in box.
1st. version 408/9 in box.
Salt Water full bail, straight arm in box.
Boxed "X" series reels.

Group 8.
Any MIB Mitchell reel.

I hope this serves as a useful reference. Thanks to Chris and Dries.

JF.


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Jeremy, thank you for summarizing. I placed the list into a different format (just to be able to place one directly above another vs grouping), with a few tweaks. I believe Dries and I were referring to the same reel in line 18...I also moved the boxed first version 408/9 up...while you can arguably move reels up and down, I'm surmise most would not move too far from one collector to another...interesting to have this list in descending order...makes you contemplate...

I would say any of these top 28 reels are a treasure...

Sandman



Descending Order of Most Rare & Collectible Mitchell Reels

1 1st. version Mitchell in correct box.
2 2nd. version Mitchell in brown box.
3 Half-bail Salt Water in box.
4 Tournament reels.
5 Test reels.
6 1st. version Mitchell with black bakelite knob.
7 Carpano CAP with round drag knob and wooden or black bakelite knob.
8 4th. version CAP (half bail) without AR.
9 3rd. version Mitchell with red knob.
10 Half-bail Saltwater without box.
11 Pilot 308.
12 Salesman sample reels.
13 1st. version Mitchell with wooden knob. Without box.
14 2nd. version Mitchell with wooden knob. With or without box.
15 Boxed Mitchell 500 and 540.
16 1st. version Otomatic (especially boxed).
17 DL series reels.
18 Boxed 1st. versions of Ultra Lights/1st. version "FRONCE" 308/309 in box
19 1st. version 408/9 in box.
20 Correctly boxed Rapid.
21 Boxed 2nd. version Mitchell with metal knob.
22 First 4th. version Mitchell with metal knob.
23 4th. version Mitchell with silver and black Garcia label.
24 "PRO" series reels. Boxed.
25 Mitchell 508.
26 Salt Water full bail, straight arm in box.
27 Boxed "X" series reels.
28 Any MIB Mitchell reel.


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Excellent job Sandman. Easy to understand.

JF.


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