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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:28 pm • #  
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The last post in the topic " Late half bail serial numbers " in the "Questions to MRM" section includes an interview which Barrie Welham gave to a UK angling magazine about 35 years ago.
This contradicts the later article referred to above and listed on this site. Which is correct I don't know.
The interview states that the Mitchell and CAP reels were launched in 1947 and that Millard Bros. took on the UK agency.
The article suggests that 2nd. ver. reels were made during the War(1939 -45).
Millard took on the agency in 1948 and we know they sold 2nd.ver reels. I have one complete with the Milbro owner's leaflet which shows and describes such a reel.
Some believe that what we call the 3rd. ver. was first produced in 1946.
A number of adverts up to 1950 have been posted on this site all showing 2nd.ver. reels.
It is unfortunate that there is such contradictory information.
I regard the fact that Patents were only applied for in 1948 as significant. I find it difficult to believe that a company would manufacture a revolutionary reel like the Mitchell without first applying for patent protection.
I have some information on the very early CAP reels which I will make available in a new topic.

Rolands.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:22 pm • #  
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Hi Mates,

So Tinca, based on what you just wrote, I have a question. (I don't think this is off topic yet, as I view the thread being about the confusing, at times contradictory, Mitchell history pieces - but this is for John Thomas to say.)

Are the 2 Mitchell reel images published 1949 & 1950 in the US I show the 2nd version, since there is no anti-reverse lever? Is this indication of the 2nd version being sold in the US?
http://www.mitchellreelmuseum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=5380&sid=2d910f61c8186a85b64714b41f7ede33

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Mates,
It wasn't too many months ago that the MRM forum was a fun to visit. It was a place to discuss these great old reels, and ask questions to mates that may have had gained some personal knowledge from owning these wonders.
Some of the luckier mates, even, posted their new acquisitions.
It was, totally, wonderful.
For way to long, in my opinion, there has been a lot of discussion about the early dating. I doubt that anyone has changed their mind about the subject based on what , so called, new evidence has been presented.
All that has appeared to happen is that some are either getting hot under the collar, or feel like their toes are being stepped onto.
Like I said many posts ago, I can't dispute anybody over the subject, and I don't desire to. I think it may time to move on till, perhaps, some new hard evidence surfaces about the subject.

I know that there are some that think their beliefs should be reflected on the MRM, but I believe you may have overlooked who the site belongs to. This is not Wikipedia.

I, truly, hope none of you feel like either I'm stepping on your toes, or that I'm driving you to heat up. That is not my intent, I'm just asking that we get back to fun forum that it was.


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Ted Lanham


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Dear John,
Yes, the reels that you picture from 1949 and 1950 are what collectors call 2nd. vers. What distinguishes these from 3rd. versions is the rotary anti reverse knob which was later changed to a boomerang lever.

Dear Ted,
I appreciate what you say and will withdraw from the discussions on early dating (not for the first time!!).
I think it is fair to say that there are 2 aspects to this site. There is the enjoyable Forum where members can exchange news and discuss reels. However this site also presents itself as a Museum and many people, not necessarily MRM members, rely on the information presented here. Some of us feel that some of this information is in need of some updating and revision which has led to the discussions.

Apologies to those members who feel these discussions have taken away fro m their enjoyment of this Forum.

Rolands.


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Sorry John, in answer to your other question, others will disagree, but the advert suggests to me that the 2nd. ver. was sold in the US. and the text indicates it had been offered for only a short period by 1950.
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Tinca,
When I looked up "Museum" on the internet, there were several variations of the word's meaning. Generally, they went something like this. "a building or place where works of art, scientific specimens, or other objects of permanent value are kept and displayed." I didn't see one definition that said anything about being a place where facts about their contents were resolved.
In fact, I believe I have seen cases where, occasionally, a museum will find that they either have a reproduction painting, or a date on a skull that that has recently been found to be older than what originally thought.
I'm sure I can walk through our beloved Smithsonian museum and find dates that can be debated.
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Ted Lanham


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We have been fairly slow since the series of site outages dating back to last year around this time.

It would be a shame to limit participation, but any discussion needs to be completely civil or it becomes too much like a gladiatorial political forum.

Most are here to escape that sort of thing.

Consider the museum to be informational to the greater extent, schematics, early ad copy, many good photos of reel types and sundry, with some opinion on very early reel dating of (2) reel types.

Nobody knows for sure completely regarding the early reel dating, people present that which they believe to be true.

Just don't be like "Comic Book Guy" on the Simpsons when the subject comes up.

People are still arguing exactly why Rome fell nearly 1600 tears after the fact.


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Ted,

Thanks for clarifying what MRM is about. No one likes to have their time/energy wasted.

There is a range of what museums do and aspire to.

I do volunteer work (identifying specimens) for a museum. What is said/written about its exhibits has undergone scholarly review. There are internal discussions about specimens. Information from specimens/collections is shared with external specialists. External specialists are welcome to come and study specimens/collections. There may be disagreement. If a new theory is proposed, it is understood/accepted the burden of proof comes with that. So, please forgive my mistaken expectation of MRM.

Warm regards,

John


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Hello, I go by fishawks or Dan. I have been kind of out of Mitchell discussion circles for a number of years. I have some interest in this discussion but don't want to get into arguments with any one and have no desire to offend anyone here. Are you guys interested in a rare document regarding Garcia history and if there was any connection of a 1st or 2nd version Mitchell in early Charles Garcia literature? Also, would there be interest in some evidence of availability of the Mitchell for right hand wind by Charles Garcia in 1951? Dan


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Hello Dan,

Anyone who's been around the Mitchell world knows who you are. I'm thankful you have joined and look forward to your comments. Please do post anything you think would be useful.

I also think it would be wise if you started a new topic maybe labeled "Garcia Mitchell Early Years."

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Hello Dan,

Where are you in the search for schematics, especially on the first salt-water, for my part I have found nothing new.
Always with my best feelings,
Christian


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