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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:56 pm • #  
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Hello mitchell mates, Lance here, i`m really curious to hear from anyone thats recently visited Cluses and looked at where the Mitchell plant used to be, is the original building still there? and what is it being used for today?? also, i`ve seen on some Bretton reel boxes that the reels were made in Cluses, does anyone know if this is correct? love to hear if someone knows anything.. cheers Lance.


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Hello Lance,

It is one of my dreams to visit Cluses, France, birth home of Carpano & Pons as superb clock makers and much later on The C.A.P and Mitchell reels made by Carpano & Pons. Plans are being made to go to Cluses just prior to our Mitchell meeting in London but I don't know for sure this will happen yet.

Here's a scan (small portion) of a drawing by J. M. W. Turner (1775-1851) who is a famous English romantic landscape and marine artist. It is reported this one shown is among his first works called "L' Aiguillette; Valley of Cluses" from the late 1790s. This one and many others were being reproduced as prints prior to his death. It shows the "Old Bridge" and the Carpano & Pons building with a watermill.

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The watermill was converted to hydroelectric power.
This one is reported to be from the 1950s:

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And here's what it looks like today:

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The building houses many departments including Carpano & Pons archives.

Your question on the Bretton is very interesting. I hope someone can shed some light on this.

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Wallace

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Hi Wallace
Like you I would love to go there one day and I hope you do manage it this year on your way over to London. If you can take a few pictures it will be good to see them and discuss them over a few beers Image

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Hi Roy,

It all depends on finances mate. If I can do only one trip it will be the Mitchell Meet in London!

To ask Lance's question again, has anyone ever been there? I've talked with JP Gumprich and naturally he has but not since the early 1980s.

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Thanks Wallace, was great to see the photos, the buildings are right on the banks of the river eh? thats the river l`arve if i remember right, just imagining all those little black beauties being made inside there day in day out.... about the Bretton box thing, yes, more than once i`ve seen photos of Bretton reels on ebay, and on the box is written Cluses!!! so, seems like the bretton factory was there too!! all the best Lance.


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Hi Lance,

Yep, still at the same exact place on the Arve river in the Arve Valley. In French, a small gap between two mountains is called a cluses thus the name Cluses (pronounced kloose) so I've been told. On the other side of this gap within a few miles is the Italy border. At the far northwest end of the valley in the city of Marignier, close to Geneva, Switzerland, is Pure Fishing / Mitchell.

I thought you would like these:
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The Group Carpano & Pons building is in the middle of each image:
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Looks like a great place to me!

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It looks a great place to me also Wallace, the sort of place to inspire an engineer to create a legend

Kind regards Roy


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Hello,
Cluses was one of big centers of manufacturing of reels in the 1950 – 1965s.
Besides Mitchell, factories and manufacturers "premises" were numerous:
Tiska ( Gaston Cartier)
Sup-Matic (Franck and Pignard on 1956 – 1963, before SINPAL )
Bretton
SAP (Joseph Depery)
Constant Mugnier
JB Chardon
Week-End.
I have some photos proving it, but I cannot publish them on this site, I would not like to anticipate the works of a friend collector
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Thanks Christian,

Carpano & Pons also owned numerous "Mitchell" manufacturing buildings on many premises as well.  Here's a picture of their plant built in 1958 exclusively for making two models, the 302 and 303 only. All machining and assembly operations for these two reels were performed here!

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By 1961, practically the entire town and surrounding countryside depended upon Carpano & Pons plants. Their fifth (separate) plant in Cluses was constructed in 1961! In addition, their plastics plant was in Annecy and foundry in Thonnon.

One day I will find the time to scan all images I have and will be happy to post them here in our group.

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Just a silly thought guys.
Wouldn't it be great to be able to go back in time and have a walk around Cluses when the factories were in full production.
That would be a day to remember.

Kind regards Roy


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Here the picture of a brochure of 50 pages of the Tourist City of Cluses (circa 1955)


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Hello Christian,

Thanks for posting !

Dries


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Roy Allett wrote:
Just a silly thought guys.
Wouldn't it be great to be able to go back in time and have a walk around Cluses when the factories were in full production.
That would be a day to remember.
Kind regards Roy


Here you go :)
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Thanks JP, great pictures.

Kind regards Roy


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Well, if wives start giving grief over all the reel buying, you can claim to be supporting feminism and women in the workplace.


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hello All,

Taking a good look at the pictures I wonder if some of those women could provide us with information about Mitchell,s past.
Hopefully one day ......

regards ,Dries


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