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 Post subject: 314 bail trip washer
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:38 pm • #  
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I have a question concerning a mitchell 314 CAP serial # 068943.I took this reel apart to service it using a schematic. As I layed out the parts I noticed there was no bail trip washer on the reel. I assumed it to be late 50's early 60's but the bail trip is shaped like the one in the 1967 schematic. Would like to get it going as I recieved a brand new one in 1966 and it was stolen when I went in the Army. Where would I get 1 ,or did this one never have 1 ? Any help is appreciated. Totally different than my other mitchells :help:


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 Post subject: Re: 314 bail trip washer
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:02 am • #  
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Hello!!

It should have a washer and at least one shim underneath it, per the schematic.

If you look at the 1968 or later schematics, you will see the 5 digit part numbers which were assigned to all Mitchell parts around that time. You can cross reference old part numbers by comparing the older and newer schematics.

Bail Trip P/N 81122
Washer P/N 81124
Shim P/N 81125

http://www.mitchellreelmuseum.com/index.php/category/363

Mitchell shims come in 3 standard thicknesses; 0.10mm, 0.15mm and 0.20mm...this translates to .004", .006" and .008".

They come up on Ebay, as do the washers...I'm currently out.

These parts also are use on the Mitchell 304 and 340 reels.

One thing to check first is if the rotor moves a lot in and out. With shim, washer and bail trip installed, when the nut is tightened the rotor must spin freely with a minimum of in and out play left.

Sometimes you run into reels where the hex nut was over tightened and essentially cut more thread on the axle shaft housing. If that happens, you may not be able to use anything under the bail trip...doing so will lock up the rotor.

Try tightening the hex nut with just the bail trip and nut, then try to pull the rotor in and out.

If there is hardly any play, you can't use a shim and washer. If the bail trip is not engaging the bail trip lever, you can gently bend the bail trip arm up just a bit...do this just a bit at a time.

If the rotor moves a lot in and out with the hex nut tight and the bail trip in place, see links below for parts.

Hope this helps.

Washer P/N 81124

http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-NEW-OLD-STOCK-GARCIA-MITCHELL-304-340-FISHING-REEL-BAIL-TRIP-WASHERS-81124-NOS-/121156941011?hash=item1c358434d3:m:m1EFVxp94YnHw0I2f5CbQgw

Shims P/N 81125 (3) sizes

(1) 0.10mm/.004" shim

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-NEW-OLD-STOCK-GARCIA-MITCHELL-304-340-FISHING-REEL-HEAD-SHIM-81125-NOS-/370874242289?hash=item5659d3d4f1:m:mTNuHRgjvLXnxAuS_Tm5uTg

Bulk

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-New-Old-Stock-Garcia-Mitchell-304-314-340-FISHING-REEL-HEAD-SHIMS-81125-10-/371228077066?hash=item566eeaec0a:m:miOFiRoMEvGcNAUXaDVjL5w

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-New-Old-Stock-Garcia-Mitchell-304-314-340-FISHING-REEL-HEAD-SHIMS-81125-15-/121534659118?hash=item1c4c07ba2e:m:mzMqD69JHtEVnOyZJoYSnMw

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-New-Old-Stock-Garcia-Mitchell-304-314-340-FISHING-REEL-HEAD-SHIMS-81125-20-/371228081289?hash=item566eeafc89:m:muAHAa-YDCdDlZmihpNprKw


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:42 am • #  
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That is why I am confused. Rotor play was great,and there were two brass shims under the bail trip. However the steel bail trip washer was absent. I purchased this reel on ebay and it was smooth and tight but I didn't know when it was last serviced. After I opened it up I have decided it was never serviced. I have about a dozen 300's,2 308's,2 306's and a 302 but this is my first 314 since I was alot younger. I appreciate the part numbers,now I have to find 1 and try removing 1 shim! :tup


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When working with brand new parts, you might need a couple of shims there...shim points with Mitchell are considered "as needed", so two there would be fine as long as the rotor does not lock up.

If the rotor had little play when you got it, but is loose now after dis-assembly/re-assembly; you may actually have that washer. I wonder if it didn't stick to the bail trip when you removed it, then fell off later. Maybe it's still around your work area somewhere. It's the same OD/ID as the shim(s), just thicker.

I have had reels of this type with just a single shim, multiple shims, just a washer, and no washer, just a bail trip and hex nut.

As long as the rotor spins with minimum in and out play and no wobble, while the bail trip still engages the trip lever, you are fine...or as fine as possible.

When you've got the rotor right, you can then move to check the line lay. Hopefully all will be good. Remember that with the 314, you should have planamatic line lay if the gearing inside is original, so line on the spool will be convex in profile like that on a 308.


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I searched and double searched for a washer,and there wasn't one. So I thoroughly cleaned, lubed, and reassembled this reel. It has possibly .002" end play,smooth as silk and lays the line on the spool properly. I can't remember back 45 years to my original but should the reel have a light click each time the bail trip contacts the bail release lever. Other than that click this reel makes a ball bearing reel feel rough. Smooooth as silk :tup Thanks for the expertise you have provided! Sure is a lot of good stuff on here for a mitchell lover!


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Glad to assist!!

.002" endplay is fine.

You should be able to take off the spool and slowly crank to see what's knocking. Most likely the arm on the bail trip is just nicking the trip lever with the bail closed. You can bend the arm out of the way a just a bit. Then lock the bail back and see if it still trips the properly.


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I ended up checking the pictures of the bail trip online,and my bail trip was square on the end rather than a slight angle on the side so I filed a slight angle with a fine jewelers file.It works flawless now. Put it on a light action glass rod,headed for the creek, and felt 45 years younger . Love fishing with my mitchells! Thanks, again for your replies and help! :sHa_biggrin:


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Have a great time!!


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