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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:14 pm • #  
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Greetings All,

I'm a 300 user when I use spinning gear. I have three that I have cleaned and shimmed that work very well. However I just bought my Wife a new Shimano and I'm pretty impressed with it's line management. Had the fever for a few days to get a "modern" reel. Now I'm thinking of converting one of my 300's to a roller bail over the original tungsten guide. Have any of you done this? Any benefit in performance gained from it? Would it make line twist worse?

Thanks in advance!


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:43 pm • #  
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Hello!

It is very easy to do this on your user reels.

You can use the 1 piece bail roller, which replaced the 1 piece bail line guide in the 1970's. The only difference is in the bail wire part, bail screws remained the same. In these the line guide and screw were replaced with a roller and a screw with a shaft.

You also can use the later 300A multi-piece bails on older 300 reels. If you do that you do have to use the different bail screws of the 300A reels.

In the 300 schematics section you can see the different types by browsing by schematic dates.

http://www.mitchellreelmuseum.com/index.php/category/288

Be advised that Mitchell tried several different types of multi-piece bails from about 1980 on. IMO, the best was the one where the roller had a Teflon bushing inserted into it.

All spinning reels develop "twist", rollers are said to reduce it. Adddtionally, tungsten line guides can groove even with mono line. You do have to pay a bit more mind to early rollers regarding cleaning and lube though, since they are prone to get dry and/or gunk up which could cause them to stop rolling properly.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:34 pm • #  
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Whoops, we don't have a 300 schematic that shows that one piece bail roller setup, so here's the 400 section that shows it.

http://www.mitchellreelmuseum.com/index.php/category/373

The parts needed are 82010, 82006 and 82005...pictures


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:44 am • #  
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Thanks so much!


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I've began a search for the parts mentioned and they look like what I had in mind. I've also ran across a bail kit part number 83064 I believe. Perhaps this is the roller type you prefer? Now I have to decide if the cost of upgrading the bail/line guide would be worth it.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:57 am • #  
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Your welcome.

Bail P/N 83414 is the one using the Teflon roller bushing and the one I prefer if using a multi-piece bail. That would be included in kit #83064.

I'm not sure that the required bail arms and bail screws are included in that kit...it might just be the bail wire and roller hardware.

Some more schematics:

http://www.networkdimension.com/images/Mitchell/GARCIA-MITCHELL%20300A-301A.pdf

http://www.networkdimension.com/images/Mitchell/MITCHELL%20300-301(VT%20300-301%2001-90).pdf

This multi-piece hardware does pop up on Ebay somewhat regularly...the 1 piece roller bails less odten. Price varies depending on whether you want NOS or gently used parts. You can sometimes find a reel with a trashed finish, but with the bail in decent shape.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:04 pm • #  
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Found this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GARCIA-MITCHELL-300-A-300A-400-350-BAIL-ASSEMBLY-SCREWS-SPRING-USED-COLLECTOR-/391265944638?hash=item5b1944843e


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Added that one to my watch list. Once again many thanks. I think those rollers are pretty cool.


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You're welcome.

The 1 piece bail roller setup is very easy to care for too, just a drop of oil now and then...dis-assemble and clean if necessary.


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