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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:01 pm • #  
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Mates,
The discussion about half bail reels, has brought up a question that I've had in the back of my mind for some years.
Many of the mitchell half bail ads state that the reel has a " Heavy duty pickup arm of "Durable Stainless Alloy".

I would assume that that would mean the bail was made of a stainless alloy, but I've several that look like they were chrome plated brass. The only ones that look like a type of stainless material are the earliest models that I have, but that might just be because they haven't been used much.

Any thoughts?

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Ted, my early second version has a chrome plated brass bail wire....not sure what they mean by a stainless alloy...


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Hey Ted,

I remember this topic being discussed maybe a couple of years ago.

Towards the bottom of the linked MRM thread page by fishawks is some content about stainless steel (alloy) relevant to a discussion: Garcia Mitchell Early Years .

Two images from then, I repost below for viewing convenience.

In all honesty, I do struggle with the possibility of brass as too disturbing - brass being a comparatively soft metal. But if I am not understanding something correctly, I am always open to enlightenment.

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John
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P.S. Sandman, after I was putting my post together, I see yours. Okay then brass, but it's a hard form then.


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Ted,

I attach photos of early bail arms that show they are plated brass.

I think it's a case of poor translation from French to English. The earliest green leaflet says "Pick-up en alliage inoxydable. Tres resistant". One could translate this as "Pick-up of very rust resistant or stainless alloy". Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc. It would have been better if they had simply said brass.

Maybe it isn't standard brass but a special concoction that they came up with. After all they may well have used different alloys in their other business.

As you say, this is translated to "Heavy duty pick-up arm made of stainless alloy". Strictly speaking this is correct, but it does suggest stainless steel.

I see that on the paperwork John showed us it changed from stainless alloy to stainless steel on the typed section.

The Milbro leaflet for the 2nd. version reel states "Tungsten shod pick-up arm". I think they may have confused the bail arm with the tungsten line guide.

JF.


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Of course, steel is also an alloy, but if this what was meant in the original French, I'm sure they would have used the term "acier inoxydable" which simply translates as stainless steel.

Not for the first time, I suspect that John has hit the nail on the head when he said it was a hard form of brass. Perhaps that is why they used the confusing term alloy.

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John,
I do recall a bit of that conversion a few years back, but I didn't remember any resolution on the subject. :sFun_oldguy:

I do think, now, that errors in translation may be what that resolution is.

Thanks all for the input.

Ted Lanham


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Ted,

Going through some European owner's manuals I found the attached which, I think, confirms your conclusion.

The manual is admittedly for a full-bail, but it describes it as rustless alloy. I think this is an accurate translation.

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JF.


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Jeremy,
Thanks for the additional information. Also, I had my pencil magnet our for another post, and it occured to me that if my earliest Mitchell has what appears to be ferritic stainless steel sideplate screws, then it be worth trying the magnet on the half bail. Conclusion: the bail isn't made of the same material as the screws. Rustless alloy!


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Ted,

A job well done !!

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